Just Orthodox? Part II
I’m just going to take a swing at this and see what happens. These definitions are from Google (sources at bottom of quote):
"Definitions of orthodox on the Web:
· of or pertaining to or characteristic of Judaism; "Orthodox Judaism"
· adhering to what is commonly accepted; "an orthodox view of the world"
· of or relating to or characteristic of the Eastern Orthodox Church
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn"
"· The word orthodoxy, from the Greek ortho ('right', 'correct') and doxa ('thought', 'teaching'), is typically used to refer to the correct theological or doctrinal observance of religion, as determined by some overseeing body. The term did not conventially exist with any degree of formality (in the sense in which it is now used) prior to the advent of Christianity in the Greek-speaking world, though the word does occasionally show up in ancient literature in other, somewhat similar contexts. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox"
So, Orthodox means, “correct thought”. As seen in the next definition, correct according to whom:
"From the Greek "ortho", which means straight or correct and "dox", meaning belief or opinion, orthodox refers to the approved form of a philosophy, ideology, doctrine, religion, and so on. Belief or opinion that does not conform to orthodoxy is labeled HERESY (from Greek for choice or to choose). For a seeker, the word orthodox raises the question, "Approved by whom?", and the word heresy, "Am I bound by the disapproval of others?"
www.zoofence.com/define05.html"
One more:
"term to describe traditional Judaism. Politically, they subdivide into ultra-Orthodox (often non-Zionist or anti-Zionist) and "national religious" (Zionist with modernist modifications in clothing etc)
mondediplo.com/1998/02/16israelglo"
OK, one more (this one is key):
"That which is consistent with correct doctrine and practice as established by the authority of Scripture.
www.dtl.org/trinity/misc/glossary.htm"
So, it appears that Orthodoxy begins with Scripture (i.e., Torah). The next question is who defines “correct” after what is mandated by Scripture?
Next, Machmir means stringent, and we know what modern means. The obvious question is, do the terms modern and machmir cancel each other out, leaving us with just Orthodox, or do modern and machmir refer to different aspects of life that can be synchronized together in harmony?
Darned if I know that answer…
I think the problem is that Ultra-Orthodox consider themselves “Just Orthodox” and MO consider themselves “Just Orthodox”. This stems from the problem of just who is the governing body within Orthodox Judaism that is defining the “correct” way.
Now how does this relate to dating?
Who knows?
To be continued…
"Definitions of orthodox on the Web:
· of or pertaining to or characteristic of Judaism; "Orthodox Judaism"
· adhering to what is commonly accepted; "an orthodox view of the world"
· of or relating to or characteristic of the Eastern Orthodox Church
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn"
"· The word orthodoxy, from the Greek ortho ('right', 'correct') and doxa ('thought', 'teaching'), is typically used to refer to the correct theological or doctrinal observance of religion, as determined by some overseeing body. The term did not conventially exist with any degree of formality (in the sense in which it is now used) prior to the advent of Christianity in the Greek-speaking world, though the word does occasionally show up in ancient literature in other, somewhat similar contexts. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox"
So, Orthodox means, “correct thought”. As seen in the next definition, correct according to whom:
"From the Greek "ortho", which means straight or correct and "dox", meaning belief or opinion, orthodox refers to the approved form of a philosophy, ideology, doctrine, religion, and so on. Belief or opinion that does not conform to orthodoxy is labeled HERESY (from Greek for choice or to choose). For a seeker, the word orthodox raises the question, "Approved by whom?", and the word heresy, "Am I bound by the disapproval of others?"
www.zoofence.com/define05.html"
One more:
"term to describe traditional Judaism. Politically, they subdivide into ultra-Orthodox (often non-Zionist or anti-Zionist) and "national religious" (Zionist with modernist modifications in clothing etc)
mondediplo.com/1998/02/16israelglo"
OK, one more (this one is key):
"That which is consistent with correct doctrine and practice as established by the authority of Scripture.
www.dtl.org/trinity/misc/glossary.htm"
So, it appears that Orthodoxy begins with Scripture (i.e., Torah). The next question is who defines “correct” after what is mandated by Scripture?
Next, Machmir means stringent, and we know what modern means. The obvious question is, do the terms modern and machmir cancel each other out, leaving us with just Orthodox, or do modern and machmir refer to different aspects of life that can be synchronized together in harmony?
Darned if I know that answer…
I think the problem is that Ultra-Orthodox consider themselves “Just Orthodox” and MO consider themselves “Just Orthodox”. This stems from the problem of just who is the governing body within Orthodox Judaism that is defining the “correct” way.
Now how does this relate to dating?
Who knows?
To be continued…
posted by MoDox Machmir Man at 5:39 PM
8 Comments:
ok well i just went out on a date with a guy... it couldnt have been more wrong, in every single aspect- personality, looks, hashkafa.. BUT the more i thnk about it, your whole debate on hashkafa fits in perfectly here.. bc if his personality wouldve been different and i would have been attracted to him, even if the hashkafas would still have been as different as they were, i wouldve given it another try....
something to think about...
I'm not sure how to react to that one. I guess everyone needs that initial attraction to have some incentive to go forward.
BTW, I know I haven't been around for over a week, I'll be back soon.
well the personality thing was also a huuuge issue. our personalities clashed big time.
Why would you look to non-Jewish sources for the definitions of Jewish terms?
"orthodox" is not a Jewish term. "ortho" and "dox" have Greek roots, as shown above. "modern" is not a Jewish term. the only Jewish term being discussed is "Machmir"
BTW, i will be back with some more stuff, just not right now
But, in the context of this discussion, any relevence these terms have should stem from their Jewish definitions. Why would a Jew trying to define Modern Orthodox care how Mr. Webster or Mr. Google define it, if every Jew he encounters defines it in a different way?
I was just pointing out that Orthodox is an English word with Greek roots. Now how one defines "Frum" is a different discussion altogether.
BTW, this blog has obviously been on hiatus for a while, but I do plan on returning.
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